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PostSubject: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:25 am

I am getting roasted. Dudes are literally running the ball every play and I can not stop it. Ive given up 250+ yards rushing in each of my last 5 games. It is taking the fun out of it. Idk why but the cover 2 invert just isnt working. Unless someone fights off a block, everybody gets picked up, including my user player. Its weird because before this I was doing fine against the run, but now I cant stop it to save my life. 1-5-5 shake is getting beat to the outside. I even switched my team from the saints to the packers to see if that would help, and it didnt. Very frustrating.

The runs that are hurting me most are counters or anything with a pulling guard. The fullback and guard both lead blocking is killing me. Also runs that are from formations that are compressed and have 2 wrs on the same side. Like a weak twins. The two receivers plus the fullback all lead blocking is picking up everybody. If anyone has anything that they could share, that would be appreciated. I run multiple defensive book. thanks.













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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:04 am

I like to always have rhe defender over or slanting to the G so if they pull someone is in early.. Aside from that 43under is great.. Get like free fire which has 2lbers blitzing.. Reblitz them at lb depth one over wk A gap (left side if default) and the other over the opposite de tjen user the player on the fb and shoot the gaps

Im rolling with saints lately so i got actually 3dts in.. Only de or olb on the line is the left of screen de..

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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:53 am

i had to stop running the cover 2 invert due to quick hikers they would literally hike before i could set it up----

i switched to 3-4 and use either 3-4 predator, or 3-4 under, crash the line out global blitz both OLBs, user the SS, i will place the MLBs and FS all 3 in a row in the box .... works well for me, typically all i gotta do is shoot a gap with the SS or a CPU LB has already gotten to them...

3-4 solid play is gaps press, this is my sellout to the run stopper play, just global blitz all LBs down, user FS and shake them, this works better than 1-5-5 at times....

also the nickel 2-4-5 even, place both MLBs in B-gaps, drag a FS in the middle of the box user the SS----

all 3 of these work pretty solid for me
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:13 pm

Strategically the best defenses in the nfl at stopping the runs are 34... Thats all im gunna say

Any defense with 4 down lineman, you need a good dline
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:30 pm

ACTUALLY...

In the top 10 rushing defenses in the NFL, it's five 4-3 defenses and fiver 3-4 defenses.

I don't buy the company line that a 3-4 defense is better at stopping the run. The Bears have plugged the run for YEARS from a 4-3 defense, are excellent this year against the run, and still aren't even in the top 10.

Stopping the run is about gap integrity. Period.

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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:32 pm

"The issue is what we call gap integrity. Let me try to explain that. There are essentially six gaps on the line of scrimmage - between the center and the guard, between the guard and the tackle and between the tackle and the tight end, then of course, outside the tight end. That makes eight, but they're basically defined as the ‘A’ gap, the ‘B’ gap and the ‘C’ gap. When you hear that terminology, that's what people are talking about.

"In order to stop the run in modern football, particularly against a zone-blocking team - which is what the Texans are; it's really an offshoot of the old Denver Broncos/Mike Shanahan offense - you have to have gap integrity. You have to fill every gap with a defensive player. The player must be able to hold that gap and either cause the ball to move outside or inside. You can't allow the runner to get a free run into the secondary."


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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:33 pm

xHHx_megatron wrote:
Strategically the best defenses in the nfl at stopping the runs are 34... Thats all im gunna say

Any defense with 4 down lineman, you need a good dline
esp since slanting your DL pretty much does nothing in the run game
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:42 pm

real life the best 4-3 defense is the 4-3 under

but in madden the over plus is the best form the 4-3 imo. The plus kind of forces you to attack front side A gap. Where potentially there can be 3 defenders (MLB,WLB,safety) there to help. ANd backside where the Safety and WLB will have backside responsibly

But you can stop the run in anything, just put your bros in position to make a play...which is a tad bit harder this yr with the ineptitude of DL slanting
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:56 pm

well what forms are they hurting you with
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:35 pm

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ACTUALLY...

In the top 10 rushing defenses in the NFL, it's five 4-3 defenses and fiver 3-4 defenses.

I don't buy the company line that a 3-4 defense is better at stopping the run. The Bears have plugged the run for YEARS from a 4-3 defense, are excellent this year against the run, and still aren't even in the top 10.

Stopping the run is about gap integrity. Period.

Actually

Its six 34 defenses vs four 43...
Not a significant difference but when it comes to madden, I find it easier to stop majority of runs due to alignment vs 46 where I still use but for mainly vs big heavy sets...

But yea gap integrity is most important first..

Me having a ground attack first, I find it more difficult vs 34 then anyother formation.

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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:45 pm

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xHHx_megatron wrote:
Strategically the best defenses in the nfl at stopping the runs are 34... Thats all im gunna say

Any defense with 4 down lineman, you need a good dline
esp since slanting your DL pretty much does nothing in the run game

I dunno what you're getting at... Its not like you caint slant dl in 34 lol!

But in respect, I rather have a run d in which im not commiting in a certain direction and not havin any guess work involved... But yea slantin dl can cause havoc but backside is exposed badly.

With 4 down lineman, youre exposed to the weakside between 1 and 5 technique and on top of that outside runs are more successful. In contrast, 34 defenses, the most success is in between the tackles for minimal or small gains.

Vs zone blocking, it doesnt matter what type defense, gap integrity is a must
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:03 pm

xHHx_megatron wrote:
ZAN wrote:
ACTUALLY...

In the top 10 rushing defenses in the NFL, it's five 4-3 defenses and fiver 3-4 defenses.

I don't buy the company line that a 3-4 defense is better at stopping the run. The Bears have plugged the run for YEARS from a 4-3 defense, are excellent this year against the run, and still aren't even in the top 10.

Stopping the run is about gap integrity. Period.

Actually

Its six 34 defenses vs four 43...
Not a significant difference but when it comes to madden, I find it easier to stop majority of runs due to alignment vs 46 where I still use but for mainly vs big heavy sets...

But yea gap integrity is most important first..

Me having a ground attack first, I find it more difficult vs 34 then anyother formation.




im sorry but this yr there is no run D i meaan theres RUN D of coursee but u bring u safetys down to the box forget it ima hit u up top all day thats why the c2 invert is ehhh ok it gets passed on all day or drawed to death well atleast i do that

best run D in my opinion is is a RUN that forces the a gap runs u gotta have RUN integretity jus liek zan put it in previous posts

as far as best formation to stop the run as far as alignment on 43 side i like 43 stack i have some stuff in 43 over plus that forces the runner to cutback 5-2 also shuts outside runs downs i here some good stuff about 425

now for 34 side uhmm i liek solid for inbetween tackle runs for tosses 34 odd works good while maintaining coverage
34 over Ed works liek 43 stack with a lil more flexability 34 predator works like a 43 under so yeah i mean its all the same to me i dont think ther is a better front theres times wer 34 will shine and times where 43 will shine from my opinion 43 give up way more yards than 34

against good people everythins all situational u cant jus have 1 run D unless they keep running the same thing over and over
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:53 pm

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WFColonel56 wrote:
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Strategically the best defenses in the nfl at stopping the runs are 34... Thats all im gunna say

Any defense with 4 down lineman, you need a good dline
esp since slanting your DL pretty much does nothing in the run game

I dunno what you're getting at... Its not like you caint slant dl in 34 lol!

But in respect, I rather have a run d in which im not commiting in a certain direction and not havin any guess work involved... But yea slantin dl can cause havoc but backside is exposed badly.

With 4 down lineman, youre exposed to the weakside between 1 and 5 technique and on top of that outside runs are more successful. In contrast, 34 defenses, the most success is in between the tackles for minimal or small gains.

Vs zone blocking, it doesnt matter what type defense, gap integrity is a must
what im saying is slanting your DL doesn next to nothing in the run game. Where in years past you actually saw your DL executing the slants.

Now it looks like you didnt even tell them to do anything
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:12 pm

O yea I def agree with slanting nowadays... I wish it was more like m10...



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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:20 pm

xHHx_megatron wrote:
O yea I def agree with slanting nowadays... I wish it was more like m10...



me 2. but i will even settle for m11 slanting lol
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:41 pm

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I am getting roasted. Dudes are literally running the ball every play and I can not stop it. Ive given up 250+ yards rushing in each of my last 5 games. It is taking the fun out of it. Idk why but the cover 2 invert just isnt working. Unless someone fights off a block, everybody gets picked up, including my user player. Its weird because before this I was doing fine against the run, but now I cant stop it to save my life. 1-5-5 shake is getting beat to the outside. I even switched my team from the saints to the packers to see if that would help, and it didnt. Very frustrating.

The runs that are hurting me most are counters or anything with a pulling guard. The fullback and guard both lead blocking is killing me. Also runs that are from formations that are compressed and have 2 wrs on the same side. Like a weak twins. The two receivers plus the fullback all lead blocking is picking up everybody. If anyone has anything that they could share, that would be appreciated. I run multiple defensive book. thanks.













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It isn't working because it's never worked.

Gap integrity, my friend. You need to have a lineman in each gap with linebackers heads up over the linemen, or vice-versa.

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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:53 pm

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I am getting roasted. Dudes are literally running the ball every play and I can not stop it. Ive given up 250+ yards rushing in each of my last 5 games. It is taking the fun out of it. Idk why but the cover 2 invert just isnt working. Unless someone fights off a block, everybody gets picked up, including my user player. Its weird because before this I was doing fine against the run, but now I cant stop it to save my life. 1-5-5 shake is getting beat to the outside. I even switched my team from the saints to the packers to see if that would help, and it didnt. Very frustrating.

The runs that are hurting me most are counters or anything with a pulling guard. The fullback and guard both lead blocking is killing me. Also runs that are from formations that are compressed and have 2 wrs on the same side. Like a weak twins. The two receivers plus the fullback all lead blocking is picking up everybody. If anyone has anything that they could share, that would be appreciated. I run multiple defensive book. thanks.




math works - 9 guys in the box with your outside defenders controlling the outside running lane to set the edge - funnel the run back inside and take hte back down.

as people now KNOW thats we want to do they focus on attacking with the pass which makes it harder to pull off in combination of the run/pass.










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Gap integrity, my friend. You need to have a lineman in each gap with linebackers heads up over the linemen, or vice-versa.

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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:38 pm

For stopping runs, do you guys just stack players in Gaps like mentioned? Does containing help at all when trying to stop the run? I would just try and stack the A gap to shut up the middle runs, and then maybe contain your DE to help in tosses? But not sure if thats a good idea?
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:04 pm

just make sure you have even spacing on the field in your defensive fronts. there is no point having the weak side of any formation loaded up on...keep balance and make your opponent have to run 10-12 times to score...dont sell out for the big thunderous hit stick on the ballcarrier.

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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:14 pm

Basically count the center as strong side and have +1 defenders on both the strong and weakside.. But also know the gaps they should be assigned to
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:24 pm

i wouldnt dont count the center as the strong side.

the important personnel to count are any tight ends and full backs.

if you have the fullback on the same side as the tight end, there's obviously a strong side to the formation. if the fullback is opposite of the tight end (assuming 1 tight end), i tend to play the formation balanced.

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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:16 pm

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For stopping runs, do you guys just stack players in Gaps like mentioned? Does containing help at all when trying to stop the run? I would just try and stack the A gap to shut up the middle runs, and then maybe contain your DE to help in tosses? But not sure if thats a good idea?

dont load up on any particular gap.. With lets say a cv3 with 46 d.. Spread out the two flat zones and that will help on outside runs. Might move both inside lbs over both b gaps. Thats a balanced lookin d.

I like to rebltz all delineman..blitz b gap to whichever side I think a run is goin to and spy backside lb nd user fs.. This is a base run d I have used in past years, Im more of a 34 person now, this d should give u a foundation to give u and others an idea. Counters/trap plays/dives to weakside will give ya fits sometimes.

But I always use teams with stud dline that can get off blocks

Again, this is something Ive done in the past. No gaurentees.
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:18 pm

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For stopping runs, do you guys just stack players in Gaps like mentioned? Does containing help at all when trying to stop the run? I would just try and stack the A gap to shut up the middle runs, and then maybe contain your DE to help in tosses? But not sure if thats a good idea?

dont load up on any particular gap.. With lets say a cv3 with 46 d.. Spread out the two flat zones and that will help on outside runs. Might move both inside lbs over both b gaps. Thats a balanced lookin d.

I like to rebltz all delineman..blitz b gap to whichever side I think a run is goin to and spy backside lb nd user fs.. This is a base run d I have used in past years, Im more of a 34 person now, this d should give u a foundation to give u and others an idea. Counters/trap plays/dives to weakside will give ya fits sometimes.

But I always use teams with stud dline that can get off blocks

Again, this is something Ive done in the past. No gaurentees.


Thanks Megatron... Well WFColonel got me on that 4-3 now.. Cool But im trying to figure out which formation would be best effective against the run and good overall defense/balanced? Either the 4-3 stack or the 4-3 over? I would think the 4-3 Over would be better suited vs. the run than the stack just because your ROLB and LE kinda make it almost setup how a 3-4 D would look with the LB.

Is it better to play man for run D and throw some players in Zones? Or is it better to just come out in a zone like you said with the Cover 3?
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:33 pm

i think the best run d in this game is either out of 34 predator or the 52 flipped... i like both of them but i tend to stick with the 52 flipped.. of course i do have a certain setup to maximize the effectiveness.. only thing is you have to be confident in your stick skill enough to where you know you can play contain with a safety.. but i haven't had a single run break one on me yet and i been messin with that for over a month so im pretty confident in the 52.. the 43 is good IF you have a decent dline MORE IMPORTANTLY a STRONG MIKE LB BEHIND IT
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PostSubject: Re: In desperate need of a new run D   Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:55 am

I prefer zone better cause its safer vs the pass. I like 43 stack vs run/pass and 43 over vs pass.

Never use man cov and take defenders off their assigned man unless its for an allout cov d.. Which isnt good if ur concerned bout the run lol... Its one or the other.. Unless u can find an unconventional run/all out cov d lol.
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