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PostSubject: Slant out defense   Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:24 pm

Fellas im in dire need of some advice. Im gettin very fed up facing people who run snugs and streak their outside wrs while slanting out the slot wrs usually the hb will be on a flat. I cannot properly defend this without totally opening myself up for the draw. My issue is purp zones ... They dont do anything. I will user one side and purple the other, one side usually the cpu side will consistantly be open?? Please help with any success u guys have had vs. this cuz honestly its really grinding my gears!


On a side note a lot of people have been running 5wr. What is your best way to match up and lock this down. I usually go quarters with a nano or 46 speed nano. I just hope that the cov holds up n the heat gets there. Pretty successful but vs teams like GB its a headache.

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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:47 pm

46 Normal Cover 3 Just put 2 outside defenders in the blue zones on purples & show blitz. Depending on where U are on the field U may have to move them a lil' more to the outside. The Deep Blues defend the streaks & the Purples defend the slant outs. If they're running that setup from Bench, Ur better off running Cover 4 & manning up the inside Wrs. User the LB on the yellow & defend the middle of the field against the QB taking off & running. Try it & let me know how it works.
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:53 pm

if you want to defend the slants and corners you can spotlight the WR they are throwing to and the purple will defend it better
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:59 pm

Thanks fellas
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:01 pm

Slimreaper,

the issue with that defense is that it's terribly prepared to defend the slot streaks. You're essentially making the FS guard two verticals in his middle third.


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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:11 pm

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the issue with that defense is that it's terribly prepared to defend the slot streaks. You're essentially making the FS guard two verticals in his middle third.


He said he was slanting out his slot WRs. Instead of criticizing me to try to make yourself look good . READ THE QUESTION HE ASKED.
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:39 pm

Your basic problem is that the zones are getting flooded. You essentially only have 2 defenders (deep zone and purple zone) to defend 3 receivers (streak, slant out, flat). Unfortunately, EA has programmed the purple zones in this situation to jump the flat route, which leaves the slant out open for big gains downfield. In earlier versions, the purple zones would take away the slant outs and force the QB to dump it down to the HB in the flat, where you can then rally to the ball and try to make a play for minimal yardage. When people talk about wanting EA to fix the purple zones, this is what they are talking about. It's not unrealistic that somebody is open in that situation, but the problem is that the defense will always leave that intermediate receiver open, when you'd rather have them force the shorter throw for less yards.

Anyways, the two best ways to defend this are to add an additional flat zone to the trips side (if the offense is in Gun Snugs then the side with the HB is more or less a trips side), or play a cover 3 or cover 4 and manually control a safety or LB that is responsible for a hook zone (or a deep zone if it's cover 4) towards that same trips side and essentially cover that inside slot receiver yourself. If he goes outside on a slant out or deep out, then forget about your zone and cover him like it's man to man. If he goes vertical or cuts inside then you play your zone as normal. Put the LB/DB on the side of the formation with 2 receivers and no HB in a purple zone.
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:52 pm

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the issue with that defense is that it's terribly prepared to defend the slot streaks. You're essentially making the FS guard two verticals in his middle third.


He said he was slanting out his slot WRs. Instead of criticizing me to try to make yourself look good . READ THE QUESTION HE ASKED.

slant outs from the slot are most effective in gun snugs and bunch sets. he isn't talking about gun spread. that's not hard to D up.

i just misworded my post and meant "seam" streams instead of slot streaks.

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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:03 am

if they are manually slanting out their slot recievers the purple zones should cover that fine. If they are coming out in bench switch then the two corner routes will get behind the purples. A cover 4 should stop this. Maybe try shading your zones to the outside and usering the middle might help.
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:44 am

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ZAN wrote:
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the issue with that defense is that it's terribly prepared to defend the slot streaks. You're essentially making the FS guard two verticals in his middle third.


He said he was slanting out his slot WRs. Instead of criticizing me to try to make yourself look good . READ THE QUESTION HE ASKED.

you get the point, smartass. slant outs from the slot are most effective in gun snugs and bunch sets. he isn't talking about gun spread. that's not hard to D up.

and i dont need to make myself look good. i let people tell me. i dont tell people.

i just misworded my post and meant "seam" streams instead of slot streaks.

Once again, you still haven't answered his question. Your just tryna compensate for the fact U made yourself look stupid criticizing me. He asked for help, I answered his question. So like I said before " Instead of criticizing me to try to make yourself look good, READ THE QUESTION HE ASKED." Not once in the in my post, did I say anything about a "spread set". The setup I gave him was to help him versus Snugs. Which is what he asked for. I even gave him a setup for "Bench" in case they used the corner routes instead of slantouts. Do us all a favor & speak when spoken to. Or better yet, do the other guy a favor & ANSWER HIS QUESTION!!
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:18 am

I use the 3-4 defense so this may be of help or may not be, (since alot of MB uses 46) but the 2-4-5 even formation, cover 6 play works well, i just might place a DE in a light blue on the half backs side of the field, the CB's in yellow zones defend the slant outs pretty good, i like them better than the purples .....

but i'm thinking any cover 6 defense with an adjustment to the HB's side should be pretty solid against this type of snugs set up with 2 streaks and 2 slant outs ,and the HB flat route



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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:41 pm

Slimreaper256 wrote:
ZAN wrote:
Slimreaper256 wrote:
ZAN wrote:
Slimreaper,

the issue with that defense is that it's terribly prepared to defend the slot streaks. You're essentially making the FS guard two verticals in his middle third.


He said he was slanting out his slot WRs. Instead of criticizing me to try to make yourself look good . READ THE QUESTION HE ASKED.

you get the point, smartass. slant outs from the slot are most effective in gun snugs and bunch sets. he isn't talking about gun spread. that's not hard to D up.

and i dont need to make myself look good. i let people tell me. i dont tell people.

i just misworded my post and meant "seam" streams instead of slot streaks.

Once again, you still haven't answered his question. Your just tryna compensate for the fact U made yourself look stupid criticizing me. He asked for help, I answered his question. So like I said before " Instead of criticizing me to try to make yourself look good, READ THE QUESTION HE ASKED." Not once in the in my post, did I say anything about a "spread set". The setup I gave him was to help him versus Snugs. Which is what he asked for. I even gave him a setup for "Bench" in case they used the corner routes instead of slantouts. Do us all a favor & speak when spoken to. Or better yet, do the other guy a favor & ANSWER HIS QUESTION!!

Better yet, you do me a favor and run that D vs. me for WHATEVER amount you'd like. It's TERRIBLE against slant outs. Just being real with you.

No one runs slot slant outs out of non-compressed sets to WRs. If they are, they are a moron. Period. However, slant outs to a TE with an EMPTY side of the field outside him ARE effective.

King Jason, as the level of player I know he is, is more than likely referring to a snugs or bunch set in which the combo is outside wr streak up the seam, and the slot slant out to the flats. And if he wants help, I'm more than willing to oblige him with a PM...

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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:37 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:23 pm

Its all a preference really. I think cv2 (strong blitz) or cv4 would be more suited or straight man cov rather then cv3. The draw, well tbh there isnt one all around defense... So I think id be more worried bout the pass then draw...Unless ur opponent shows otherwise and the situation like is it 4th and 1 or something to that nature.

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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:54 pm

ZAN wrote:
Slimreaper256 wrote:
ZAN wrote:
Slimreaper256 wrote:
ZAN wrote:
Slimreaper,

the issue with that defense is that it's terribly prepared to defend the slot streaks. You're essentially making the FS guard two verticals in his middle third.


He said he was slanting out his slot WRs. Instead of criticizing me to try to make yourself look good . READ THE QUESTION HE ASKED.

you get the point, smartass. slant outs from the slot are most effective in gun snugs and bunch sets. he isn't talking about gun spread. that's not hard to D up.

and i dont need to make myself look good. i let people tell me. i dont tell people.

i just misworded my post and meant "seam" streams instead of slot streaks.

Once again, you still haven't answered his question. Your just tryna compensate for the fact U made yourself look stupid criticizing me. He asked for help, I answered his question. So like I said before " Instead of criticizing me to try to make yourself look good, READ THE QUESTION HE ASKED." Not once in the in my post, did I say anything about a "spread set". The setup I gave him was to help him versus Snugs. Which is what he asked for. I even gave him a setup for "Bench" in case they used the corner routes instead of slantouts. Do us all a favor & speak when spoken to. Or better yet, do the other guy a favor & ANSWER HIS QUESTION!!

Better yet, you do me a favor and run that D vs. me for WHATEVER amount you'd like. It's TERRIBLE against slant outs. Just being real with you.

No one runs slot slant outs out of non-compressed sets to WRs. If they are, they are a moron. Period. However, slant outs to a TE with an EMPTY side of the field outside him ARE effective.

King Jason, as the level of player I know he is, is more than likely referring to a snugs or bunch set in which the combo is outside wr streak up the seam, and the slot slant out to the flats. And if he wants help, I'm more than willing to oblige him with a PM...


If you think for one second that "Play me for money B.S." is gonna make me back down from U, Ur sadly mistaken. 1st off, that isn't an all around Defense. Its a setup to defend the play he asked for help with. The only person mistaken here is you. 1. For pretending your helping someone when you're actually just tryna cater to your own ego. 2. For thinking ANYONE cares who your are or how"good" you claim to be. 3. For tryna shut me up w/ a money game.
If you weren't gonna post a tip in a thread that asked for help why waste our time w/ the criticism? Save it for someone who cares what U have 2 say. SMH
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:16 am

Slim chill out dude... Gettin all defensive for nothing to start things off. I dunno if zan liked ur play or not, he just disagreed with the cv3 shell behind it.... All the other crap bout zan's ego is boring and just adding fuel to the fire... If u disagree wit zan and his opinion on the cv3 shell, then u should explain why u think cv3 is a good choice... But I think u secretly wanted to try and call him out.. Lol but anyways, lets get back to topic
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:50 am

xHHx_megatron wrote:
Slim chill out dude... Gettin all defensive for nothing to start things off. I dunno if zan liked ur play or not, he just disagreed with the cv3 shell behind it.... All the other crap bout zan's ego is boring and just adding fuel to the fire... If u disagree wit zan and his opinion on the cv3 shell, then u should explain why u think cv3 is a good choice... But I think u secretly wanted to try and call him out.. Lol but anyways, lets get back to topic

I wasn't even talking to Zan. He just picked me out to criticize. I use Purples to defend slantouts all the time. U just have to move them manually pre-snap cause this year they "drop funny" (if that makes any sense!! LOL!). As far as calling him out, no. He threw the whole money game thing out. It just seemed he was more worried about downing my advice, than giving out his own. Had it been him or anyone else, they would've received the same response.
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:40 am

i just hate the way purples play this yr

moving them out does help a little but not a whole lot imo, the throw may look more cluttered but you can most def fit the ball to the slant out

I havent tried spotlighting 1 side, will try it out nxt time i face it

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what i have been doing is 4-3 cover 3
put the safety in the flats in a purple and user the other flat zone and play the slant out. The safety in the purp will play it better because of his depth

(yes he bites on the flat. but becuz of the depth he is at he will cover the slant out for a longer period of time)

And as i said im usering the other slant out

I feel comfortable that the hook zones will delay the seam throws long enough that once the routes pass them I can click on and make a play with my deep third safety without too much difficulty...if something comes up I can also move them out a little bit wider if needed

you also can use the coverage above with shifting the DL right and crashing up...while shifting LBs left

opt- put DE left of screen on a deep zone, contain, spy, man coverage

if they send all guys in routes than the pressure should get in. If they blk the HB than it will be picked up but u also dnt have to worry about the flat

it can be slide protected against but you also can bait them
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I wouldnt run a st8 up cover 4...purps just get sucked int the flats

I have not tried running cov 4 and manning up the purps to the inside WRs....Will do next time i face it and give feedback.

but kinda worried about if they do other plays from snugs though

also ppl are using the streak/slantout as a man beater...the man covering the slant out will get picked by the streak WR.. Im not sure if it would still work vs the adjusted cov 4 but just throwing it out there. But im sure that could be remedied by moving the manned up players back/outside more
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:31 pm

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If you think for one second that "Play me for money B.S." is gonna make me back down from U, Ur sadly mistaken. 1st off, that isn't an all around Defense. Its a setup to defend the play he asked for help with. The only person mistaken here is you. 1. For pretending your helping someone when you're actually just tryna cater to your own ego. 2. For thinking ANYONE cares who your are or how"good" you claim to be. 3. For tryna shut me up w/ a money game.
If you weren't gonna post a tip in a thread that asked for help why waste our time w/ the criticism? Save it for someone who cares what U have 2 say. SMH

1. Pretending I was helping someone? Check yourself, please. Do you know how many PMs I answer a day here? Do you remember last year when I called into TWIM for 20 minutes each week and GAVE AWAY a scheme for free? Pretending I'm helping?....Yeah

2. I care what other people think? Nah...I speak my mind all the time. If I were afraid what people thought about me, I'd kiss *** 24/7. I do not. I speak freely, and have even spoken out despite Gibs telling me to take the high road.

3. I didn't say you had to shut up. I asked you if you'd like a game with a sidebet.

The reason I don't post EVERYTHING I come up with is EXACTLY the same reason I posted time and time again about last year, creativity. I come up with many things each year that don't sniff the community outside of the use I give it. What happened when I posted my Pats Slot Out "Old School Fade" last season? Everyone started motion snapping outside release patterns inside and hike throwing them. Did I expect it to go viral? Not to THAT capacity. There are people here I share freely with....such as WFColonel, Morecowbell, Militant X, and many others...

Answer me this question, however...What is the number 1 thing that is being run as a PASSING concept? Some form of Tight Snugs or Bunch Compression with the slot(s) slanting out and the flanker on a vertical concept. Obviously it plagues the community...and I have no issues with it....do I care to release it? Sure, maybe when I move on defensively...but for now, I'll release what I'll please...and if you don't like me for not giving it to EVERYONE...then fine...But the tip is sitting in king jason's inbox as of right now.

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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:44 pm

Good looks ZAN......... Drama for ya mama lol thanks to everyone who posted! I found 46 cov 3 press works well by showing blitz and putting the DE on the rb side in a flat and taking the flat zone db n puttin em in a purp usually user backside flat or fs being weary of the seams but this will shutdown the slant outs
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:10 am

king_jason2 wrote:
Good looks ZAN......... Drama for ya mama lol thanks to everyone who posted! I found 46 cov 3 press works well by showing blitz and putting the DE on the rb side in a flat and taking the flat zone db n puttin em in a purp usually user backside flat or fs being weary of the seams but this will shutdown the slant outs

Laughing I'm glad you got the help U were looking for. Seeing how that's what the thread was for!!! LOL!
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:14 am

I think for TWIM this week we should resolve all this and bring Dr. Phil on the show
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:28 am

Nothing to resolve, mgcomedy. Kid wanted to take a potshot, and I'm not affected. Dime a dozen, I tell ya.

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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:43 am

Oh I know ...and besides I don't think Gibs has sold enough $99 lab sessions to get Dr Phil on the show.

(note I'm probably going to buy one...don't judge)
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PostSubject: Re: Slant out defense   Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:47 pm

ZAN wrote:
Nothing to resolve, mgcomedy. Kid wanted to take a potshot, and I'm not affected. Dime a dozen, I tell ya.

I'm tryna take the "Higher Road", in a sitruation YOU started. Do us both a favor & get over yourself.
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